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Post by Bubba on Oct 16, 2006 14:14:47 GMT -5
What do you guys think of the CVA Smokepole? I was thinking of trading my Remington 700 ML in on a Stainless/Nickle CVA Optima Pro (break open) 209 Primer.. I hope this don't open a can of worms about inlines vs traditionals... but I had traditionals before and can't sight them very well anymore without a scope... so this is the way for me to go (I think)... Here's some of the spec's.... Oh, and if I get from that large mail order place (the one that starts with a "C" and one of our members works there I think  ) and get it before Christmas it comes with a nifty sling... The price varies but it's right around $350... 29" Fluted Bergara Barrel w/ Bullet Guiding Muzzle™ - .50 Caliber / 1:28" Twist Rifling - Nickel or Matte Blue Finish - Stainless Steel 209 Breech Plug - 8.8 lbs. Total Weight - Ambidextrous Solid Composite Stock -14.5” Length of Pull - Aluminum Loading Rod - Cocking Spur Provided - Interchangeable Barrels - Drilled & Tapped For Scope Mounts - Lifetime warranty |
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Post by bounce on Oct 16, 2006 15:40:18 GMT -5
BUBBA you certanly now how to make a grown man CRY!!! What's to say!! Except hope it works great for you and brings you much venisen to your table.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Oct 16, 2006 22:33:37 GMT -5
In handling their rifles at the shop, CVA's not been my favorite brand. But that's in their hawkin and boltaction...although I think they are going up in quality...or maybe everyone else is going down... But their break open Optima is a pretty good rifle IMO. Oh I absolutly hate the design. Oh how I hate it.   But if you like the hinge release system and the shape of the stock, it's alright. Probably not my first choice for 350 dollars. I think you can do better with another design for that price. But if you like the looks, that's money well spent. It probably won't give you any problems. |
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Post by klsm54 on Oct 17, 2006 9:53:31 GMT -5
I'm not up on in-lines that much but, to me, trading a Remington on a CVA would be a lot like wipin' before you poop, just wouldn't make much sense.... ;D When it came to CVA Flintlocks, their quality was not a shining example of fine craftmanship. Around these parts CVA's were what everybody was trading off to get a better gun...  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Oct 17, 2006 16:34:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you don't know much about inlines. The 700muzzleloader is generally regarded as one of the biggest pieces of crap that company has made. Their new muzzleloader line this year should be no different, if not worse |
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Post by klsm54 on Oct 17, 2006 17:01:11 GMT -5
I have shot a 700 ML before. A hunting buddy has one, a .54 stainless. It shoots extremely well, within 2" at 100 yards. He has bagged a deer with it evey year since he has had it, and it goes bang everytime he pulls the trigger. I guess he got a good one.
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Post by Jack on Oct 17, 2006 17:56:10 GMT -5
Well.....
I'm not a fan of in lines, so, I haven't looked at them, or used them, so can't comment there.
Bubba, if you can't use open sights, have you tried a peep? I don't do well with open sights, either, so I put a peep on my ML, and it shoots just fine.
BTW, it's one of those cheap ass CVA's I got used for 90 bucks, but, I'm not a big ML shooter- if it works during ML season, I'm happy.
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Post by dakota on Oct 17, 2006 23:22:42 GMT -5
I probably have bitched enough about the open sights with the ugly ears - some people call buckhorns. But just like as Jack said aperature sights are much easier to shoot than the open sights (or buckhorns) for me at least.
I also find the flat blade with a square notch (target) rear sight easier to use than the buckhorns but not as easy as the peep sights. But if I were to be shooting at running game I would use the flat blade with square notch (target style) rear sight.
I suspect though that not very many people shoot muzzle loaders at running game.
I have never looked closely at the Remington 700 ML. I believe though that Remington should be better than the CVA, I wouldn't make the trade you are considering. But if you are happy with the CVA then go for it. If we all liked the same thing then life would be boring.
BTW. All the 700's I have seen are drilled and tapped for aperature sights. I suspect the ML are also.
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Post by Bubba on Oct 18, 2006 19:20:09 GMT -5
Well, first off, I've got nothing against the 700... I like it except for a few things... #1.. it's a bear to take apart and clean. You have to remove an allen-screw/bolt to remove the Action Bolt, then mess with the bolt/trigger to get it back together.
#2.... It uses a #11 cap and it's an even bigger problem capping (especially in the cold). In order to cap it, you have to put the capper inside the bolt slot on an angle, then use your finger to straighten the cap on the nipple and slide it on.
#3... even if I wanted to, the iron sights are NOT reliable. (in other words they suck).
But, now that I've got the right load & the right bullet, it does come together with a 2" group at 100 yards.
It's got some sentimental value... my daughter bought it for me. When she bought it, she figured it was a Remington and it had to be good. AND in-lines were in their infantcy back then ad the technology wasn't half as good as it is today. I'll probably go buy a new inline (which one, I don't know right now) and keep the 700ML and retire it to the gun box.
As far as peep sights go, I used them when I was younger, I think a scope is the only way for me to go these days. I find that even a 2X shotgun scope helps me line up and dispatch a deer a whole lot faster than any iron sights would. I recon I'll just have to give this a little more thought.
I do want a break open gun and I do want a 209 primer ignition system, I'd like the longest barrel I can get and the CVA offers a 50 Cal in 29" ... that's about the longest available. I've looked at the new TC Pro Hunter Encore... but they are just a wee bit more then my wallet will allow right now. They start at $870... for a gun I will only use once a year... it's just not worth the funds...
Any more thoughts?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Oct 18, 2006 21:27:55 GMT -5
Anymore thoughts? Again, if you like the appearance and function of the CVA, I think it's a go. You're other three options for break open are 1. Traditions - which would be fine. More a traditional stock. My dad has one and it's a good shooter. They do have quality control issues with it's appearance. I'd be sure not to special order and I'd take the gun completly off the stock to look at it. It's cheaper but not by much --- I'd prob get the CVA Nonetheless www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=55479&hvarDept=400&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=3&hvarSubCode=1&hvarTarget=browselink will work 2. NEF (uses reusable rubber primer holders kindasorta like knight) What an excellent rifle. Damn, what a good rifle !!!!! And I'm serouis. But I can't bless this because of their godawefull contraption they call a ramrod. 3. T/C Omega (and other type brands) - I'm not impressed with this gun or it's style. Too small of a hammer. |
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Post by dakota on Oct 19, 2006 8:27:43 GMT -5
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Post by deputydon on Oct 19, 2006 9:33:42 GMT -5
BUBBA you certanly now how to make a grown man CRY!!! What's to say!! Except hope it works great for you and brings you much venisen to your table. |
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Post by dakota on Oct 19, 2006 10:12:33 GMT -5
I am just trying to be helpful. The next ML will be a flintlock for me, it own't be an in-line either.
I wish I new more about judging the quality of the flintlocks though.
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Post by stumpjumper on Oct 19, 2006 12:04:08 GMT -5
Bubba ~
A swap of sights & a 209 primer convertion kit may be cheaper. But I always favor gettin' anouther gun ;D ;D
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Post by klsm54 on Oct 19, 2006 12:35:39 GMT -5
As Yogi said, "It's like deja vu all over again." ... ;D It seems to me, Bubba, that we talked about converting your 700 to 209 ignition once before....  Or maybe it was somebody elses gun. Anyway, since the 700 is scope ready, the conversion would help you out. Here is a link to a conversion kit.... 209 Conversion KitNow, as far as the cleaning issues... |
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) and get it before Christmas it comes with a nifty sling... The price varies but it's right around $350... 
Or maybe it was somebody elses gun.