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Post by Bubba on Sept 21, 2006 16:50:57 GMT -5
I was just wondering if anyone knew if there is a decent replica Sharps 45/70 that shoots black powder, paper cartridges?
We passed a law this year that allows us to use a Sharps or replica but it cannot use a metalic cartridge.... I'm just wondering...
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Post by dakota on Sept 21, 2006 17:28:44 GMT -5
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Post by bounce on Sept 21, 2006 17:46:09 GMT -5
I would look around, even a used one as I'm shure no one has wore one out & neglect should be easly spoted. The trick is all in the hand seated bullet for accuracy is my understanding as I have not owned one but ben around a few. most then just pour in the power & close the block and blow off the excess powder. You want to be carefull though I guess as over time louse powder can make it's way into the stock of the forarm and blow up!!! rueing a good day.
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Post by dakota on Sept 21, 2006 21:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by twomoons on Sept 22, 2006 9:41:28 GMT -5
Upper Missouri Trading Co in Crofton Ne has a used on on the wall.
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Post by Bubba on Sept 22, 2006 17:39:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure if'n I can even load one properly... but I have always marveled at the venerable Sharps Rifle... I had the pleasure of shooting an antique one a while back but it was a metal cartridge 45/70... we shot at targets 200 yds down range and I did manage to put the bullet through the paper ... but I've always wondered how the buffalo hunters of days gone by could put down a big bull at distances over 500 yards..
I recon when you're shooting a 400 grain bullet at 1500 fps it can do some awsome damage...
Dakota... what is that rifle you're using in your posts? I probably haven't read all the posts lately and missed it... or like normal, wasn't paying attention when I did see it the first time...
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Post by twomoons on Sept 22, 2006 18:04:47 GMT -5
The paper ctg Sharps, while offering a fast reload had one fatal flaw, gas leakage. A new sharps with a tight breech wasn't to bad, but they worked loose pretty quick. A friend has one that he bought new and after only 500 rounds the leakage was annoying. If I had my druthers I would rather use a Burnside, a little less power, but real pleasant to shoot and plenty of ooomph for deer. When you get right down to it it's hard to beat a good muzzleloader, provided you take the TIME to learn to shoot it and to load it. Too many folks think that a quick seond shot has some great advantage. Well with PRACTICE you can reload a M/L in about 30 seconds. Any deer that runs away in that amount of time you wern't going to get anyway. Heck the way it's going wait a year and M/L season will be for any black powder gun!
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Post by bounce on Sept 22, 2006 18:32:42 GMT -5
Yeh!! two seasions each year for my 38-55 Marlin 93 One smokeless or Black powder and the 2nd Black powder only LOL
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Post by Jack on Sept 22, 2006 20:25:17 GMT -5
The slant breech Sharps that used the paper cartridges also had a tendency to let a few grains of powder trickle down under the barrel, and be trapped between the barrel and forend. Removing the forend during cleaning and cleaning out underneath would remedy the problem. But, there were some reports during the Civil War of Sharps cavalry carbines having a small explosion splinter the forend during an extended fight (when the powder built up and the cavalryman had no time to clean it out). Now, if you happened to be the guy holding the forend, I suspect you wouldn't consider it a 'small' explosion  |
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Post by Bubba on Sept 27, 2006 22:04:15 GMT -5
I guess my next question is do you buy paper black powder cartrides or do you make them yourself? I don't think it would be too difficult to take 70 grains of FFg or FFFg powder, roll it in some tissue paper and slap a maxi-ball on the end ... I am going to have to read up on this subject BEFORE I even think about purchasing one ...
I'm also wondering if Uberti/Stoger/Bennelli manufactures a replica... If I go this route, I'm going to sell my Remington 700 ML and just invest heavily in this sport... There's some stories of Buffalo hunters killing big bulls at distances of 800 to 1000 yards with 45/70's... if that's true, I MAY be able to hit a deer at 200 yds... with little to no problem...
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Post by Bubba on Sept 27, 2006 22:30:36 GMT -5
I was looking at these rifles too... nice but a little pricey... The one I am looking at (with sights) will run about $2000... but it's got a 32" barrel and does come in 45/70 paper... www.shilohrifle.com/ |
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Post by Jack on Sept 28, 2006 0:01:20 GMT -5
Bubba, as I understand it, you make the paper cartridges yourself. I've seen descriptions on how to do it- pretty much like you've described. They use cigarette rolling papers as the paper.
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Post by deputydon on Sept 28, 2006 7:59:18 GMT -5
2M's will be back from Vacation today. He had been playing w/ one on and off all summer sooooooo I'll let him explain the ups and downs of it all. IT'S ALL YOURS 2M's.................
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Post by dakota on Sept 28, 2006 8:31:08 GMT -5
Bubba
That picture I have is of a 45-90 Winchester High Wall Creedmore. I saved 3,000 by taking a train to the Twin Cities to buy a truck and went nuts. I got a Creedmore waiting at my brothers. I think unless Browning and Winchester come out with another run it is an excellent investment. Even if they do, it may be a good investment. S--- most of the junkers I have driven in my life didn't cost as much as that rifle. I suspect most people will think I am nuts, but I plan on shooting small game with it - great practice IMO.
I wanted to go cheap, but my brother insisted on getting this or a Browning BPCR. (The Brownings have almost doubled in price in 2 years, it seems.) I found a rolling block that need TLC for a little over $300 and thought I could tinker with that and use it for a BPCR.
I suspect that my bro was right. If you get a decent rifle you will be making an investment. I don't have a lot of money stashed away for retirement but I do have a guns that are worth a lot more than what I paid for them.
(example: My bro bought a Thompson for $2,000 a while back and he has been offered $25,000 recently for it and turned it down -- he expects the value to keep on climbing. I thought he was nuts paying $2,000 for that rifle, but he has a lot of fun with it and has insulted a lot of left wingers too.)
Moral of my blurb, get a good rifle and you won't be sorry. (at least that is my hope)
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