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Post by jmarriott on Feb 19, 2013 19:33:13 GMT -5
CCI SV has been selling for a while at 7.99 per hundred so that is about regular pre december prices. I mean (minus the case discount) but still about 7.99 per hundred. I believe I would have picked that up to tide me by. I will check out a few of our big stores by this weekend, I got tax check today in the bank account.
CCI blazier shot well in a couple of rifles I have. My marlin seems to like about anything and the BL-22 and SA-22 find the CCI blaziers quite acceptable. They were very available a while back. Now they are all gone.
CCI makes 4 million rounds a day of rimfire. Someone has some rimfire ammo.
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Post by jimh on Feb 28, 2013 21:39:44 GMT -5
Yesterday I lucked out and was able to buy several cases of ammo. On the way home I stopped at the gas station and this drop dead gorgeous blond was filling up her car at the next pump. She looked at the ammo in the back of my truck and said in a very sexy voice, "I'm a big believer in the 2nd Amendment and in the barter system. Would you be interested in a trade of sex for ammo?" I thought it over for a few seconds and replied..."Well, just what kind of ammo have you got to trade?"
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Post by deputydon on Mar 1, 2013 8:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Mar 1, 2013 12:22:15 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Bill on Mar 2, 2013 9:13:47 GMT -5
So, How much ammo did you get from her. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jimh on Mar 15, 2013 7:39:26 GMT -5
So, How much ammo did you get from her. ;D ;D ;D two pumps worth, did i say she was hot looking ;D
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Post by jimh on Mar 15, 2013 7:40:20 GMT -5
here is a good explaination on the current ammo issue and i think it's pretty much right on target. www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/03/foghorn/ask-foghorn-whats-with-the-ammunition-shortage/John writes: How about some Information on why there is NO ammunition available? Is it a Govt. conspiracy? Just a “Normal” shortage? How come Wall mart, Cabalas, On line dealers, etc has NONE? It sure would be nice if TRUTH, gave us some believable answers, you could ask Manufacturers, WHY , WHEN, & HOW MUCH WILL HIT THE SHELVES No, this isn’t a normal shortage. We’ve seen something close to this before, but it’s never been this bad. Here’s what’s going on . . . For the last few years, the number of gun owners has been on the rise. Increased gun ownership means more ammunition being fired, and the increased demand meant that the existing supply of ammunition was insufficient. Manufacturers were already producing for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (which was taking a ton of ammo) and as such, any slack there may have been in the system was taken up by those conflicts. We’ve been seeing the effect of the increased demand as the price of ammo has slowly been climbing, especially during the first Obama election stampede in 2008 when prices went through the roof. That’s the last time we really saw a run on ammunition remotely as bad as the current state of affairs. With manufacturers busy producing for the war effort, there wasn’t enough slack in the supply chain to allow for the ammunition hoarding that took place. And, as a consequence, ammo became scarce and expensive. When the wars started slowing down, the extra ammunition flooded the civilian market. Ammunition prices bottomed out, and especially 5.56 ammo was dirt cheap. As demand slackened, the manufacturers responded by slowing down manufacturing as well. Production lines that were running 24/7 went back to 9 to 5 shifts. When Barack Obama was re-elected, there was a mini panic buying spree. But this time, the gun stores and distributors were ready. Remembering how crazy things were during the last Obama election, they ordered extra ammunition ahead of time and there was plenty available on the shelves. The demand by gun owners was sufficiently satiated by the available supply, and life returned to normal pretty quickly. Thanks to the mini-panic, the ready reserve of ammunition was completely gone. Manufacturers had nothing in stock, and distributors were sold out. While the lack of ammunition available might be concerning to some, seeing nothing on the horizon, manufacturers continued their slacked production schedule. Since everyone who wanted ammunition had bought it already during the panic, demand was way down and they figured that they could gradually re-fill the reserves. For a few weeks, life was good. Distributors were starting to build up their ready reserve of ammunition once again, and store shelves had ammunition in stock at normal prices. Then, Sandy Hook happened. Almost overnight, the demand for ammunition shot past the peak of the mini-panic from a month before, completely draining the ammunition reserves of manufacturers and distributors. The shelves were literally empty. Right now, we’re dealing with the aftermath. Ammunition manufacturers quickly ramped back up to 100% production, running their lines day and night, but that’s proving to be too slow to replenish the supplies of the distributors and gun stores. Ammunition is being sold as fast as it can be manufactured. There is no slack in the distribution system whatsoever. Normally, there’s a built-in relief valve for panic buying. Namely, people run out of money and then stop buying stuff. People would still want ammo, but they wouldn’t have the money to get it. Unfortunately, this has happened at the absolute worst time — tax refund season. The government is handing people tons of spare cash, which they are dumping immediately on more ammo. Which in turn leads to the ammunition scarcity. Since ammunition manufacturers are producing at 100% capacity and distributors are selling what they get as soon as they get it, that means that distributors are continuously adding new orders to the queue. And the queue continues to grow, since orders aren’t being filled fast enough. Let me put it this way. Right now, ATK (manufacturer of Federal ammunition) has an order queue that will take them three years to fill. That’s for orders through today. The line will inevitably grow tomorrow. (That info about the orders brought to you by TTAG informant El Grande Queso.) As the demand for ammunition slows down, we’ll see more availability and lower prices. There’s a massive cliff on ammunition prices coming as market saturation (or rather market bankruptcy) is reached, and life will once again be good. But for right now, it’s still insane. And showing no signs of stopping anytime soon.
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Post by bounce on Mar 15, 2013 8:06:21 GMT -5
I belive their is one more componet to the above, Home Land Secureity is makeing sure it's bought up for three years & more. Do I know this? No, not for certain, But it is looking like it in several ways.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 17, 2013 21:57:01 GMT -5
The Federal government and Law Enforcement has always had contracts with the ammo companies for ammo orders. Understandably, they take 1st and 2nd precedence. The 3rd precedence, being the general public, are just doing it to themselves 3 ways. 1. You have the greedy or paranoid people buying literally tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds to make a dollar on at the gun show this weekend or during the apocalypse 2. You have everyday Joe 6 Pack constantly going to the store because he is looking to either go shooting soon or stock up on a little bit of inventory to ride out this shortage out. Of course if I have 2 boxes of shells at home from last fall and I haven't seen any in 3 months, I'm going to grab 5 boxes if I happen to stumble on them at the store. So until everyone feels that they have the inventory they need for a little while, this is going to keep continuing. 3. Another main reason this is happening is because of all these high capacity clips being all the rage now - people will shoot these guns until they are so hot they won't even hit paper (not that people are trying to aim at anything, they just want to get off on shooting as many rounds as they can in the shortest amount of time). Our parents and certainly grandparents would roll over in their graves if they found out you just shot $100 worth of ammo in 15 minutes
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Post by bounce on Mar 17, 2013 22:53:09 GMT -5
I'm thinking reds story is what they are wanting us to belive, maybe?
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Post by Bill on Mar 18, 2013 20:54:04 GMT -5
I seldom agree with Red. This time I have to because it is the truth. We are doing it to ourselves. Just exactly way he described. There are ammo company's out there that are saying that hey are backordered 2 and almost 3 years now on ammo. Its too bad but were doing it to ourselves.
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Post by Jack on Mar 18, 2013 22:38:59 GMT -5
You're right, Bill - same as last time.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 19, 2013 3:35:14 GMT -5
Indy 1500 was this weekend and for the first time in 30 years dad and I did not attend the march show. Admission prices are now 12 dollars but you get a 2 dollar off flier. parking is 3 dollars. We figured we would just sit back and chill out.When we started going parking was a dollar and the show was 5. We then thought it was expensive.
I have many friends who did go.
Update: Reloading supplies were avaiable and prices were not to bad. (Up but not sick). AR's were avaiable at 1k. uppers lowers and pmags. the sandy stuff that was all gone.
550 packs of rem golden bullets 60 dollars.
cci SV 8.99 (I had one purchased for me. the Kimber is worth it.) 4 boxes left sat morning.
223 ammo 75 cents a round. Brass cased.
Plenty of lower teir guns like rossi's H@R single shots, marlin 795's ruger 10-22's used at new prices.
One of the guys dad trades and buys old 22 shells from was almost sold out. I mean you are talking 10 dollars a box of 50 50 year old rimfire ammo near sold out. He did pull a container off the table for his ammo collector guys for trade/deals/to good for general public stuff.
Knives, flashlights, scopes, gun bags, bug out bags, wallets, flashlights, t-shirts, jewelry, dog tags, roasted nuts, jerky, books, all those items I don't care for at the shows was moving well.
I think I am shifting to a new state for gun shows. Dad when to the Ohio gun collectors show and should be a member after the next news letter. Then he takes me as his one person to the next show and I can become a member. 30 dollars a year but no entrance fee. No junk flea market items and mostly collectors guns. One guy had 33 winchester model 42's on display and I bet when I get to go he will be there with 33 winchester model 42's. I think he is a member with a table to show off his collection. 30 dollars a year will be worth the collector education at least. These guys could teach me alot in a little time since I write down lots of notes on stuff.
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Post by bounce on Mar 19, 2013 8:46:25 GMT -5
I think it will be a long time before I attened another gun show that is not local & may pass on them. I do agree to with red, just pretty shure their is more to the story, as if you don't think the government woun't use this I think you had better re-think your sanity.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 19, 2013 17:30:20 GMT -5
The Ohio collectors ass. is a bit different than a normal gun show. It is not a show but a club meeting. Hard to get into also but i am working on it. Heck on a moments notice I have been know to drive to Port Clinton Ohio and pick out Garands and now Kimber 22's at the CMP. www.ogca.com/History.htmCheck out the collectors corner in the web site also. Sure drive time is going to be more, admission price is free, but the things I will see available are far more above average than DPMS AR's and saiga shotguns. No trash stuff. not a flea market. Very strict in what you can dispaly for sale. Bad thing would be handguns have to be shipped to my FFL locally. So add shipping and 15 dollar 4473 form fee. Longguns are ok cause it is a border state. The little local shows are where I always find a treasure in the mix somewhere. I almost got a 1954 first year mountie marlin for 390 but a vendor saw me looking it over good and handed a stack of cash to the other vendor while the gun was still in my hands. I have purchase a SA-22 near new in box 295 plus tax, a 686-2 pistol 350 and a BPS uplander 20 guage shotgun in the parking lot there for 300. The Indy 1500 has become a wonderland of trinkets and overpriced items in a world of internet shopping and avaiablilty, 30 years ago it was an infomation gold mine. Today more of a social gathering where i see old friends. As far as the gov't remember what John Dillinger did in Indiana in the 1930's. They had the tommyguns and the bullet proof vests and Bars and the ammo so he just decieded to do a little shopping at the local police departments instead of the local gun stores. Outside of the special forces the gov't uses no 22 rimfire at all now. The indoor ranges are closed thans to lead EPA reg's. No JROTC guns in 22. so why would all the rimfire rounds be gone even if the gov't was not buying them. 60 dollars for 550 rem golden bullets is not making anyone happy except the ones cashing in on the free market system.
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