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Post by jimh on Sept 6, 2009 7:30:50 GMT -5
How much does he want for the mexico blanket in the picture background. Thats a big old blue bird. what the heck, i sent him a note and asked him if he wanted to get rid of it.  |
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Post by bounce on Sept 6, 2009 8:11:21 GMT -5
Well then jimh in that case if the gun has deep lands and groves, use round balls and a very tight weaved patch lubed with if you can get it [young country LUBE 103] And real Black Powder, the best is swiss but all are better than substutes. If it has shallow lands & groves then it's likely a minni ball type gun and then it's the best bullet you find for you. I would still use Black Powder only and LUBE 103. Not shure but that maybe a gun that you will find has it's own not so great niple and your may find in time it should be converted to a more standard niple?? Niples are important for accuracy and you should have a new one every so often say two or three years.
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Post by jimh on Sept 6, 2009 8:14:38 GMT -5
thanks for the insight bounce this will be a learning event for me to say the least.
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Post by bounce on Sept 6, 2009 8:20:11 GMT -5
And start with 60 gr. of powder. Most .50cal love that amount for paper at 25yds & 50 at 100 you may desire a increase? you will just need to feel it out as all are differant in the fine tuneing.
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Post by deputydon on Sept 6, 2009 8:27:04 GMT -5
opposed to some folks around here i'm open to suggestions and opinions. then i'll try everything and let the gun tell me what it thinks. in the end i'll respect everyones ideas/opinions, but i'll listen to the gun. LOL I'm not knocking Red's idea's, just wondering why he doesn't think the gun will shoot past 50 yds. I've seen Lyman's shoot flawlessly @ 100 yds for over 25 years. You might need to size your bore and match the right ball to the right patch. Or play w/ your powder charge. AND regardless of what it say's on the barrel, box, ect. check the rifling rate of twist yourself!!! It can be a lot of fun and satisfying to work up the right load for your rifle. But I will admit it can be frustrating too.  Have fun and enjoy "playing" with the rifle... That's what it's all about!!!!! I don't think you'll regret buying it. And in the future if you want to put a custom barrel on someday, come and visit 2M's....... |
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Post by deputydon on Sept 6, 2009 8:34:07 GMT -5
Well then jimh in that case if the gun has deep lands and groves, use round balls and a very tight weaved patch lubed with if you can get it [young country LUBE 103] And real Black Powder, the best is swiss but all are better than substutes. If it has shallow lands & groves then it's likely a minni ball type gun and then it's the best bullet you find for you. I would still use Black Powder only and LUBE 103. Not shure but that maybe a gun that you will find has it's own not so great niple and your may find in time it should be converted to a more standard niple?? Niples are important for accuracy and you should have a new one every so often say two or three years. |
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Post by Jack on Sept 6, 2009 10:25:41 GMT -5
I'm a bit puzzled about that 'won't work past 50' business, too.
I'm no ML expert, but, I own one and have fooled with a couple others.
IME, if it's a 1-66 twist, it's meant for roundballs. A 1-48 barrel should shoot Minie, REALs, or other bullets very well, and shoot a patched roundball well, too- out to at least 100 yards. That's been my experience.
Personally, sabots would be my last choice, unless the barrel is a fast twist, like 1-28, like a lot of the in lines are.
I've tried all 3 in 2 1-48 guns, and sabots finish last in both of em.
A lot of sabots use pistol bullets. Look at the sectional density of a pistol bullet- typically, it's very low. When a pistol bullet expands in game, it's almost flat- not much shank left to help penetration.
Round balls penetrate very well, and some of the full diameter bullets penetrate extremely well, too. Remember, you've already got a big wide projectile- expansion isn't so important as it is with a small bore smokeless rifle.
I agree with Bounce that you should change the nipple periodically, and check to make sure it's not fouled frequently.
As to powder, I've only used loose Pyrodex, so I'm no expert. Someone gave me a can of Pyrodex when I got my ML, and with home cast Minie balls (Lee mold) I managed to get 3 inch 100 yard groups- so I haven't tried much else.
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Post by jimh on Sept 6, 2009 11:00:50 GMT -5
How much does he want for the mexico blanket in the picture background. Thats a big old blue bird. what the heck, i sent him a note and asked him if he wanted to get rid of it. he said to make an offer |
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Post by klsm54 on Sept 6, 2009 22:15:20 GMT -5
what type/brand of powder do i want to use (or hope works well)? dang next thing you know i'll be looking for a buck skin case. Use good quality BLACK powder, none of that fake ass replacement crap. You'll have to see what brands are available in your area. If you can find Goex or Swiss you will be happy. |
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Post by jimh on Sept 7, 2009 7:41:28 GMT -5
Use good quality BLACK powder, none of that fake ass replacement crap. You'll have to see what brands are available in your area. If you can find Goex or Swiss you will be happy. as i recall you guys recommended Goex to Donnie for his BP rifle when he was having issues with grouping. here's the results he got back then after switching to it.  |
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Post by twomoons on Sept 7, 2009 16:33:40 GMT -5
Actually I rebarreled on of those to 40 caliber and it made one of the best small game and target rifles I ever had. If the bore is bad I may have a tube tht will fit. 15/16th??
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Post by jimh on Sept 7, 2009 18:04:38 GMT -5
i'll let you know when i see it. BTW what do you mean by "15/16th" ?
(i told you guys i am an idiot on all this BP shit)
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Sept 7, 2009 19:12:54 GMT -5
He's saying if worse comes to worse you could buy a new barrel. Muzzleloader barrels come in a variety of thickness (similiar to a contour). 15/16" would be one of the options. He's probably talking about green mountain. But you should be able to get one from the factory cheaper. It would depend on the price and what you expected from it. Hopefully that won't be an issue |
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Post by Jack on Sept 7, 2009 21:43:33 GMT -5
I believe the 15/16ths is referring to the outside diameter of the barrel.
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Post by twomoons on Sept 8, 2009 9:38:23 GMT -5
He!! what kind of group is that? He MISSED the quarter every shot!
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