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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2008 11:06:19 GMT -5
I saw on another forum where someone stated that cleaning a muzzleloader with boiling water will cause rust where as warm / hot water will not.
Now I was always taught to put boiling water down the barrel as a final rinse because it will evaporate better. I'll dry the bore with patches, run bore butter down, and put it away. When I go to clean the bore butter out the next time to shoot it, there is a dark color (mainly brown) on the patch. You run 4-5 patches down the barrel to get all the butter out and the patches come out pretty clean. I've been taught that is perfectly normal though.
While the barrel has very minor pin-dot pits all the way up and down it, there's no pitting that would cause any damage. That's just what is going to happen when a caplock is 15 years old.
So the question would be Should you use boiling water or hot water ?
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Post by deputydon on Dec 11, 2008 12:13:52 GMT -5
I use hot suddzy water. Followed by hotwater....
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Post by klsm54 on Dec 11, 2008 12:41:28 GMT -5
I use hot suddzy water. Followed by hotwater.... That's what I always did. Heated up two pans of water, one with soap, one for a rinse. Never boiled it, just heated till it was good and hot. I'd guess 150° - 160°, hot enough to make the barrel warm enough to dry quickly. I always ran a patch, soaked well with WD-40, down the bore. I figured that would displace any moisture that might not have evaporated. Then a dry patch or two followed by a lightly oiled patch. When I took it out of storage I would run a dry patch through it, to wipe out the oil, and it never had any brown on it. .....
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Post by bounce on Dec 11, 2008 12:45:32 GMT -5
I have a hot water fauset on the out side of my house. It works fine. The picknic table beside it is handy to. Hot water from the tap does evaporate very well. but lube it anyway. I'm shure soap is fine but I realy never need it. I use a patch on the cleaning rod till all is clean. then I turn off the water and take the gun in the house. wipe it with a paper towel were water maybe still on it. then lube it with 103. and it's ready for the next outing.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2008 14:24:32 GMT -5
When I took it out of storage I would run a dry patch through it, to wipe out the oil, and it never had any brown on it. ..... I'll try to take a pic of some patches in the next few days I have a feeling it's going to shock you but that's the way it's looked for years and years. I can't really say I'm doing anything "wrong" or else it wouldn't shoot right
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Post by jabba on Dec 11, 2008 14:42:35 GMT -5
I wash mine in the sink... with 140F water. When I am done... I use a wd-40 patch followed by a dry patch followed by a patch with Lucas Gun Oil. Then I rub whats left on the outside of it.
Jabba
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Post by jimiowa on Dec 11, 2008 14:52:31 GMT -5
Red I know where your coming from and I suspect it's the Bore Butter!!! And Not the Hot water! Yes I used Bore Butter but I think there are better lubes out there including a lot of Homemade concotions. I wonder if it is rust or the Bore Butter going Rancid in the barrel??
When I started using Marvel Mystery Oil as Scott describes, the whole thing was resolved. Hot water has been used so long as there were firearms with success??
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2008 15:12:24 GMT -5
I wonder if it is rust or the Bore Butter going Rancid in the barrel?? What I do is dry the barrel and immediatly afterwards you'll run a papertowel or patch down it and it comes out brown. Last time I cleaned it I thought I did something wrong and though about cleaning it again. I decided not to do it and that I'll take my chances. I think it will be ok. Like you said, it's probably not rust but rather a permanant greasy seasoning created from years of bore butter. And using hot or boiling water you'll be opening up pores in the barrel causing it to "bleed" even more. That barrel is so hot you can't touch it.
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Post by jimh on Dec 11, 2008 16:00:10 GMT -5
i ain't got none of this headach on my centerfires!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2008 16:05:42 GMT -5
You've never had the experience of killing a deer with a muzzleloader (a real one) either ;D
It's worth the trouble
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Post by jabba on Dec 11, 2008 19:45:22 GMT -5
You've never had the experience of killing a deer with a muzzleloader (a real one) either ;D It's worth the trouble Flintlockers would say the same of you Red. Jabba
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 14, 2008 13:52:48 GMT -5
Here's a couple pictures Here is a progression of patches. This would be when you swab the barrel to get the bore butter out when you go to shoot it. The one on the left is the first patch Again, this is the first patch
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Post by twomoons on Dec 14, 2008 17:19:51 GMT -5
You need to remember that a muzzleloading barrel is like a cast iron frying pan. You need a lube that seasons the bore. That's why bear oil or sperm oil was so highly prized. Boiling water WAS used in the old days, but not SOAPY boiling water. (Read Little House book 1) If you use modern cleaners and really CLEAN the bore you get patches like RED's. If you use bear oil and claen with just water or natural cleaners you can heat the barrel up good because you are GREASING the bore (seasoning) it when you are done. If I clean with any type of a soapy mix Murphy's ect. I always oil with clp and then come back in a week and swab and re oil. If I clean in camp with hot water only and lube with bear oil the bore gets a dark look but never rusts. If I clean Bounce's guns i don't oil at all and pretty soon all the 10 x's are cleaned out!
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Post by bounce on Dec 14, 2008 21:33:25 GMT -5
bounce comes in behind you with 103
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 15, 2008 11:02:14 GMT -5
Those patches / bore are normal for me and I'm not worried about it, but what's the final word from everyone else?
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