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Post by jimiowa on Nov 25, 2008 19:59:53 GMT -5
My son bought a used Ruger 77/50 he has never shot.
This one uses Musket Caps not 209 primers.
He bought 777 pellets and it says on the box for 209 primers?
Does he need powder specifically for musket caps?
I've shot only Black in Traditionals and could use some advice.
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Post by bounce on Nov 25, 2008 21:46:28 GMT -5
OuTTa my comprehencing!! To me black powder rifle is Black powder and #10 & #11 & musket caps work. Maybe a chemist can tell you? Or retro fit it with a blow torch? Or buy a can of black powder, that might be the easyest and work better too.
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Post by jabba on Nov 26, 2008 7:30:08 GMT -5
I am not a fan of the pellets at all. Period. They are slow to ignite... and that's why they make special 209 primers that are weaker for pellets. If you use the 209 primer for shotshells, it can push the pellets down the barrel creating a void before they ignite.
I think the musket cap would be OK.
But I still recommend dumping the pellets and going to loose powder... in whatever form he chooses. Black, pyrodex or 777. I like 777. We all HATE the American Pionerr stuff. I think it's rebadged clean-shot which was awful IMO.
Choose a bullet... then play with the load of loose powder till it shoots right.
Jabba
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Post by jimiowa on Nov 26, 2008 9:01:59 GMT -5
I'm with ya Bounce, I told him to get Black in the first place.
But you know Bailey's just 30 and is just starting to learn to listen to the old man??
Jabba: I told him to get the 777 powder in the first place if he was'nt going to use black. I offered to give him a powder measure and capper last night if he got powder.
I'll pass the info on tonight.
The rifle is a nice one, his buddy Brian missed a couple shots with it 2 yrs ago and Brian is a hell of a hunter. But since he missed Brian thinks the rifle is jinxed and bought two rifles since.
I hope to convert him to traditional, but since he's got this one i'll help him get it working.
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Post by jimh on Nov 26, 2008 10:40:09 GMT -5
you know my new years resolution of 09 might be to get a muzzle loader. but i want something more traditional looking. i keep thinking about that one of Donnies, i want something that looks like that!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 26, 2008 10:54:00 GMT -5
Not only are pellets 10 times as expensive, they are slow to ignite and burn as Jabba said. If you put 150 grains of pellets it, the 3rd pellet (50gr) just flys right out most of the time unburned. So definatly use only 100. I don't know if the cap alone has enough power to push pellets and a tightly seated bullet - it very well might. I know a few times I loaded the bullet without putting powder down the barrel first  You just try to get as much powder as you can cram in the side hole (5 grains maybe), shoot it, and see what happens. It normally comes out. |
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Post by bounce on Nov 26, 2008 12:09:38 GMT -5
If-un you never use it right it will never shoot right ether, Tell the kid that!!
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Post by jimiowa on Nov 26, 2008 12:20:39 GMT -5
If-un you never use it right it will never shoot right ether, Tell the kid that!! ROFLMAO!! ;D ;D I agree completely. Brian is one you can't tell much. But I think I can get Bailey started out right. I downloaded the operating manual for the 77/50 and will give it to him tonight. If weather permits I'll go out with him Sunday and get him started with it. He wants to shoot my Elephant rifle(his words) so I'll let him shoot the .444 this weekend. |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 26, 2008 12:36:42 GMT -5
I researched that gun about a year back. Seemed like there was a 209 conversion kit but I might be making that up  |
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Post by jimiowa on Nov 26, 2008 13:22:07 GMT -5
I'm suspecting your right Red. Will check into it.
Personally I think it should do fine as is if he learns how to feed it. He told me if he could not use pellets he was not sure he wanted it? For what it is I think it is fine, just not my cup of tea.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 26, 2008 13:34:55 GMT -5
He told me if he could not use pellets he was not sure he wanted it? What? I always thought it was pretty straightforward to leave the measurer set at 90, fill it up with powder, and dump it down the barrel...but I could be wrong... The only negative to the Ruger 77/50 is that the cap is exposed (thus the greater chance that water could get in) but all the "bolt action" guns were and are made that way except probably the Savage. Looks like Cabelas sells the 209 conversion |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 26, 2008 13:45:17 GMT -5
I can't get on the website from work but I believe Chuck Hawks / Randy Wakeman has quite a bit of information on his site about that rifle.
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Post by jabba on Nov 26, 2008 14:04:57 GMT -5
Man... pellets suck. You decide on the pellet charge... then have to experiment with bullets to find what shoots good. That's all ass backwards to me.
Once you find your load... I measure the powder (85 grains of FF 777) and fill like 6 speed loaders with premeasured powder. Then carry bullets and 209 primers. I shoot a 450 grain .50 saboted to my .54 gun. I have killed deer out to 140 yards, and most do not run after being hit... although ocassionally they do.
Jabba
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 26, 2008 14:47:37 GMT -5
Speedloaders are great for hunting.
I'd go to the hardware store and buy those small clear plastic tubes with the red rubber butt on both ends. You know what I'm talking about --- they store brushes or springs or whatnot in them.
Get a dozen of those and keep them filled with a predetermined powder charge.
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Post by Jack on Nov 26, 2008 18:04:42 GMT -5
I use pieces of plastic pipe for speedloaders- glue a wood plug in the bottom, and put a slip in cap over the top- the cap they sell for that size pipe. Works great, and you can write on the pipe with a Sharpie pen to label your powder charge.
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You just try to get as much powder as you can cram in the side hole (5 grains maybe), shoot it, and see what happens. It normally comes out. 
